Jesus, Ecology and Animism
David and others who you might pass this on to:
I have been hesitant to date to add a name to "Jesus" out of concern that I would pick the wrong one or mislead people on the basis of what they understood that other name or both names to mean prematurely.
But I still grapple with that introductory title and what it should be.
My life here maybe examples it to some degree but I can not find a name for that either.
I think that Christianity was a boat that sailed out of Judaism, has raided too many Islands and now is rife with rats, rot and deception and we must call the individual to carry with them in one hand their belief in Jesus and step off the boat to better ground as it sinks below the waves or wrath.
I wrote to an internet woman last night who was morning the fact that there are yet many remains to return from Laos from the war, I commented that as noble and good as this was it said nothing of all the Laotians who were butchered, napalmed and so forth, some few kilometers from where I sit now.
This is the difference of the inherited perceptions of people.
Jesus was not a destroyer. Beyond the sense that he exposed evil to light which destroyed it, like chasing mold off a rock or disease out of a wound.
Christianity must be abandoned if people are to have any hope and peace.
Christianity thrives on cliches, branding people, trampling their lives and graves without admitting to or answering any of the questions.
Thus we must seperate out all discussion of Jesus as TOTALLY SEPERATE from any history or understanding we have of christianity.
My parents were christians. The part of christianity they grasped did me harm, the understanding of Jesus they had did me none at all.
Jesus's message was opposed to religious leaders of all sorts, the tyranny of religion, it was not solely opposed to Jewish leaders of the day as christian leaders of this day would have us believe. Rather it was opposed to conditions of the human heart and the oppression that placed on others.
We have that same oppression and exploitation in northern Thailand against the Lahu, Akha, Hmong.
The problem with christianity is that it is a business. It is not line item veto, it has no discussion of what will be this or that. There is the local cammander and he is boss.
Having said that, I don't know if Jesus spent a lot of time talking on the environment, because there was less reality at that time that it was being totally destroyed.
Yet he was a specialist on the human heart. And if we look at the environment today, it is suffering as a result of the human heart and injustices.
If you have a forest full of people you displace the people first and then destroy the trees. You lie about what is being destroyed first and then destroy it.
We can not seperate the environment from the Akha and at the same time we can not seperate the Akha from the environment. christianity first lies to the Akha about what it is and what it is there to do, and then it begins to do injustice to them, deceive them, destroy what they are and what they have.
So we could say an Ecological Jesus but we could also say a Just Jesus. What would people prefer, I don't know.
To me there is little in animism that I need to destroy. I leave it as it is as I understand it as a balancing act with nature that the Akha do. To that I would ADD rather than displace, as in adding a book to a collection, that Jesus would advocate for more love, more forgiveness in the community, more collective care to each other. And I would not demand that this be in any concentrate in any area. I don't think it can work that way because often we are distinguishing what is Jesus as what is really our own preferences for society.
Jesus taught that we respond justly to the needs of our society, so if the need is to turn around the tide on the environment then we must preach against greed, waste, selfishness and disregard.
It is two handed, teaching against the events that are causing the bad effects and also teaching against the human attitudes that lead to those events. I will cut it down before the other guy does, I had to, my neighbor was pressing me hard about a small debt and I had to pay him fast.
That kind of thing.
I don't think we can change systems as readily as we can abandon them, and then live different as individuals.
The challenge today is to get people to see that christianity, which the whole bloody mess is arguing about now, is not the answer, and it was not what Jesus taught, it was quickly a takeover and corruption of what he taught to the point that the human soul went hungry once again.
Right now we have a war by DESTROYING christianity AGAINST the environment. The people who lead it have no belief in Jesus. Belief in Jesus has dialogue and they offer no dialogue. They are wolves.
And those who would truly believe in Jesus must stand up against these tyrants and call them what they are.
Animism is people living without "Jesus" formally in a book kind of way, who are yet very smart about their environment. It is also a mis statement in that it assumes that what is going on in their culture is primitive and limited to the superstitious. This is not the case. The Akha for instance have a very formal law. I would like to promote this because it is very advanced and resolves disputess, etc.
So what part of animism is that? Well of course, now we have people who have an advanced social civilization, that ALSO takes care of the enviornment and this must be looked at for what it is.
My concern is that the western people don't want this much social responsibility, that is why the want christianity, because it is a tyrant religion, and they can be accountable to who ever when ever in the sweet by and by, the Akha no such thing, it will get resolved now, right now, and nothing moves until it does.
I know, I live there, I carry the traditions for my family half Akha, half Scot, like all the other families in the village, and charges can be laid to me as I can lay charges to another, but the beauty of it is that all get on and along and that is what makes a tight Akha village a very tight Akha village.
Trees are respected, the water is respected, and it is all difficult to explain this to the western view, but it is so carefully woven into Akha life that one would never assume that you would do it any other way and an Akha would look at you as if you were stupid if you asked why?
And that is due to the fact that EACH Akha family raises all of its own food entirely each year, there are no screw ups, no mess ups, or you don't eat and that does not happen, so all work.
Now exactly how far have westerners gotten from that, in their attempts to escape from "by the sweat of thy brow" and dodge work?
It is very hard to discuss deep ecology when one is not doing the most basic part of that, growing food because if you are growing your own rice you are VERY concerned with where all that can be effected by other people's stupidity.
I myself must go out in the next few days and in addition to running this project, must repair my rice terraces, clear out the years weeds, strengthen the walls, route water, move soil, and get ready to replant the new rice shoots that are all ready planted on the nearby hillside.
Also when we look at who Jesus was we need to look at the context of the entire bible, not christianity as the entire bible is a complement to who he was and what he taught, not a contradiction, he never intended to be a contradiction to it or a stand alone, and in that case there is certainly a lot that he has to comment on culture, environment.
The chief life of Jesus was as a person who offered redemption and we see that this is the entire message not only of the bible but its message to us that we take this goal. It isn't enough that we carefully live in our forest, but we must be rebuilders of the forest, rebuilders of people's lives, because there is much brokenness around us. Many references are made to an entire creation that groans as to the result of man's destruction of it. This certainly points to a divine ecology.
Christianity is a subversion of an idea to enslave people, to exploit the environment and indigenous peoples in one big loot around the world, not anything to do with Jesus. The human must seek truth and sort this out.
The mechanics of organic environmental living can be seen in the lives of the Akha. Human actions that are not destructive to this must also be learned and practiced.
In Akha world it is the Christians who are destroying the village and farming environment in an anything goes mentality.
Much more could be said on this.
Thankyou so much for the discussion and as you have much more experience at this than I, if you were to present specific ideas or challenges to the molding of these ideas I would much appreciate it.
For instance there is much talk of sustainability in the west, but that starts with individual food production, and how many are willing to do that now?
Matthew
David and others who you might pass this on to:
I have been hesitant to date to add a name to "Jesus" out of concern that I would pick the wrong one or mislead people on the basis of what they understood that other name or both names to mean prematurely.
But I still grapple with that introductory title and what it should be.
My life here maybe examples it to some degree but I can not find a name for that either.
I think that Christianity was a boat that sailed out of Judaism, has raided too many Islands and now is rife with rats, rot and deception and we must call the individual to carry with them in one hand their belief in Jesus and step off the boat to better ground as it sinks below the waves or wrath.
I wrote to an internet woman last night who was morning the fact that there are yet many remains to return from Laos from the war, I commented that as noble and good as this was it said nothing of all the Laotians who were butchered, napalmed and so forth, some few kilometers from where I sit now.
This is the difference of the inherited perceptions of people.
Jesus was not a destroyer. Beyond the sense that he exposed evil to light which destroyed it, like chasing mold off a rock or disease out of a wound.
Christianity must be abandoned if people are to have any hope and peace.
Christianity thrives on cliches, branding people, trampling their lives and graves without admitting to or answering any of the questions.
Thus we must seperate out all discussion of Jesus as TOTALLY SEPERATE from any history or understanding we have of christianity.
My parents were christians. The part of christianity they grasped did me harm, the understanding of Jesus they had did me none at all.
Jesus's message was opposed to religious leaders of all sorts, the tyranny of religion, it was not solely opposed to Jewish leaders of the day as christian leaders of this day would have us believe. Rather it was opposed to conditions of the human heart and the oppression that placed on others.
We have that same oppression and exploitation in northern Thailand against the Lahu, Akha, Hmong.
The problem with christianity is that it is a business. It is not line item veto, it has no discussion of what will be this or that. There is the local cammander and he is boss.
Having said that, I don't know if Jesus spent a lot of time talking on the environment, because there was less reality at that time that it was being totally destroyed.
Yet he was a specialist on the human heart. And if we look at the environment today, it is suffering as a result of the human heart and injustices.
If you have a forest full of people you displace the people first and then destroy the trees. You lie about what is being destroyed first and then destroy it.
We can not seperate the environment from the Akha and at the same time we can not seperate the Akha from the environment. christianity first lies to the Akha about what it is and what it is there to do, and then it begins to do injustice to them, deceive them, destroy what they are and what they have.
So we could say an Ecological Jesus but we could also say a Just Jesus. What would people prefer, I don't know.
To me there is little in animism that I need to destroy. I leave it as it is as I understand it as a balancing act with nature that the Akha do. To that I would ADD rather than displace, as in adding a book to a collection, that Jesus would advocate for more love, more forgiveness in the community, more collective care to each other. And I would not demand that this be in any concentrate in any area. I don't think it can work that way because often we are distinguishing what is Jesus as what is really our own preferences for society.
Jesus taught that we respond justly to the needs of our society, so if the need is to turn around the tide on the environment then we must preach against greed, waste, selfishness and disregard.
It is two handed, teaching against the events that are causing the bad effects and also teaching against the human attitudes that lead to those events. I will cut it down before the other guy does, I had to, my neighbor was pressing me hard about a small debt and I had to pay him fast.
That kind of thing.
I don't think we can change systems as readily as we can abandon them, and then live different as individuals.
The challenge today is to get people to see that christianity, which the whole bloody mess is arguing about now, is not the answer, and it was not what Jesus taught, it was quickly a takeover and corruption of what he taught to the point that the human soul went hungry once again.
Right now we have a war by DESTROYING christianity AGAINST the environment. The people who lead it have no belief in Jesus. Belief in Jesus has dialogue and they offer no dialogue. They are wolves.
And those who would truly believe in Jesus must stand up against these tyrants and call them what they are.
Animism is people living without "Jesus" formally in a book kind of way, who are yet very smart about their environment. It is also a mis statement in that it assumes that what is going on in their culture is primitive and limited to the superstitious. This is not the case. The Akha for instance have a very formal law. I would like to promote this because it is very advanced and resolves disputess, etc.
So what part of animism is that? Well of course, now we have people who have an advanced social civilization, that ALSO takes care of the enviornment and this must be looked at for what it is.
My concern is that the western people don't want this much social responsibility, that is why the want christianity, because it is a tyrant religion, and they can be accountable to who ever when ever in the sweet by and by, the Akha no such thing, it will get resolved now, right now, and nothing moves until it does.
I know, I live there, I carry the traditions for my family half Akha, half Scot, like all the other families in the village, and charges can be laid to me as I can lay charges to another, but the beauty of it is that all get on and along and that is what makes a tight Akha village a very tight Akha village.
Trees are respected, the water is respected, and it is all difficult to explain this to the western view, but it is so carefully woven into Akha life that one would never assume that you would do it any other way and an Akha would look at you as if you were stupid if you asked why?
And that is due to the fact that EACH Akha family raises all of its own food entirely each year, there are no screw ups, no mess ups, or you don't eat and that does not happen, so all work.
Now exactly how far have westerners gotten from that, in their attempts to escape from "by the sweat of thy brow" and dodge work?
It is very hard to discuss deep ecology when one is not doing the most basic part of that, growing food because if you are growing your own rice you are VERY concerned with where all that can be effected by other people's stupidity.
I myself must go out in the next few days and in addition to running this project, must repair my rice terraces, clear out the years weeds, strengthen the walls, route water, move soil, and get ready to replant the new rice shoots that are all ready planted on the nearby hillside.
Also when we look at who Jesus was we need to look at the context of the entire bible, not christianity as the entire bible is a complement to who he was and what he taught, not a contradiction, he never intended to be a contradiction to it or a stand alone, and in that case there is certainly a lot that he has to comment on culture, environment.
The chief life of Jesus was as a person who offered redemption and we see that this is the entire message not only of the bible but its message to us that we take this goal. It isn't enough that we carefully live in our forest, but we must be rebuilders of the forest, rebuilders of people's lives, because there is much brokenness around us. Many references are made to an entire creation that groans as to the result of man's destruction of it. This certainly points to a divine ecology.
Christianity is a subversion of an idea to enslave people, to exploit the environment and indigenous peoples in one big loot around the world, not anything to do with Jesus. The human must seek truth and sort this out.
The mechanics of organic environmental living can be seen in the lives of the Akha. Human actions that are not destructive to this must also be learned and practiced.
In Akha world it is the Christians who are destroying the village and farming environment in an anything goes mentality.
Much more could be said on this.
Thankyou so much for the discussion and as you have much more experience at this than I, if you were to present specific ideas or challenges to the molding of these ideas I would much appreciate it.
For instance there is much talk of sustainability in the west, but that starts with individual food production, and how many are willing to do that now?
Matthew